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Re: Hi-E Appliances by Micah (Maine) on April 14, 2014 @14:37

                              
The older ones also sucked up electricity like a sponge in water. I'd rather shell out $600-$800 for a new fridge every 10 years than have to deal with old ones falling apart or just looking really old.
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Re: Hi-E Appliances by MaineLL (Maine) on April 14, 2014 @23:55 [ Reply ]
I'm not convinced that the life cycle energy costs are any better than the old appliances. If I bought a washer 25 years ago I could reasonably expect it to last 20-30 years. That would be 1 washer for that time period. Manufactured 1 time, transported one time, used all those years, recycled one time. Bought one time.

Now, a new washer will last 5-10 years (yes, this is the actual expected life of a middle of the road washer - over 8 years and it's on borrowed time.) so, being generous, I'm going to say that during that same time period of 20-30 years I will replace the washer 4 times. You are going to manufacture, transport, and recycle four appliances. And pay for 4 appliances. You could easily end up purchasing as many as six or more. The purchase of this many appliances is not figured into the "savings" of the high efficiency appliance.

Real examples: purchased a dryer in 1990 for $400. It has only required wheels, Teflon pads, and 1 belt. It is 24 years old and currently being used in one of my apartments. In contrast, in 2004 I purchased a new high efficiency set, $800 each. At 5 years I put on a new belt (a year later the 1990 dryer got its first belt). At 7 years it needed a computer control board, minimally. I chose not to spent $400 on a repair that might not be the whole problem. At 8 years the washer was replaced, bearings were gone. So, the 1990 dryer has an average yearly cost of less than $20. The 2004 $800 dryer averaged $120 year for it's life cycle cost for 7 years. So, no, I don't buy the energy savings argument. It has significant flaws. Some savings, but not nearly as much as they claim.

Conclusion: until manufacturers can figure out how to build quality and durability into these new high efficiency appliances we are not really making much ground. And the EPA is burying it's head in the sand if they don't take a look at the total cost of building their high efficiency appliances without looking at the durability of the appliances.
    Re: Hi-E Appliances by Micah on April 16, 2014 @15:00 [ Reply ]
    I replaced an old fridge and my tenants electric bill dropped $18.00 a month!

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