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Re: painting after 11 months by Anonymous on November 10, 2017 @12:03

Even if tenants hang pictures. They should repair the holes.

We repainted most of the walls of the living room, hallway, and one of the bedrooms. The damage was due to tenant touching walls and some furniture bruises.

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Re: painting after 11 months by Anonymous on November 10, 2017 @15:02 [ Reply ]
was unit repainted immediately before current tenant moved in?

11 months is a very short tenancy. reasonable handprints, appropriate for 11 months are normal wear and tear, -- especially with children. good paint should stand up to light cleaning / surface scrubbing.

furniture scrapes are how many over how long.

On hardwood floors, guide (for tenant) is 1-3 in the same position is: Oh,.....accident / unintentional,... I need to take care of that.

3-10 yeah,....I definately need to get to that.
10 or more,......thru the top coat, thru the stain, into and goughing out the raw wood: yeah,...I know,....I don't give a sh-t, ain't mine so I don't care
Re: painting after 11 months by Mark on November 11, 2017 @08:28 [ Reply ]
That sounds more along the lines of normal "wear and tear".

If you deduct for such damages and the tenant sues for the return of the security deposit, you might have a hard time convincing the court that its damage and not wear and tear. If the court decides the tenant is the prevailing party, you could face triple damages being award, along with court fees and attorney fees, which will be more than the damages cost. I don't understand why landlords think that tenants are going to not hang pictures, etc. It's better to restrict how the tenant can hang things without causing damage. Such as using proper picture hooks. If course your lease covers this, I hope?
    Re: painting after 11 months by Ted (California) on November 11, 2017 @09:18 [ Reply ]
    Verbally our tenants usually do not ask us about hanging pictures. I use the LPA lease from about couple of years ago. The lease does not have particular language about nail holes but does specify that the tenant needs to return the unit in condition for re-renting which was not the case. Do you recommend particular language for picture hooks and if so what is it? We charged tenant $50 for the holes and $100 for heavy touch up.
      Re: painting after 11 months by Brenda on November 11, 2017 @09:40 [ Reply ]
      California landlord tenant law states that the tenant shall return the rental property back to the landlord in the same condition as received "Less wear and tear". Some holes from hanging pictures is expected. What the landlord would want to prevent is unnecessary large holes or large nails and especially adhesive hangers that damage the wall when removed.
    Re: painting after 11 months by Robert on November 29, 2017 @10:26 [ Reply ]
    treble damages only apply if you dont send them any move out statement. if you charge something that is later overturned just that amount is deducted.

    I charge $30 for 1 gallon of paint, but no charge for repaint labor. I would charge if "unreasonable" amount of holes or wall damages.

    I specifically call out that the tenant should NOT patch any holes. they usually F them up and ruin the wall forever.

    BTW, best thing I ever did was make a move out cleaning list that is part of lease, spells out exactly what my idea of clean is and suggests cleaning products I know work. I promise them a unit in that condition and expect it back the same. (normal wear excluded)

    basically EVERY hard surface cleaned - doors,cabinets, windows, sills, baseboard, floors...+carpets PROFFESIONALLY cleaned - no rental carpet cleaner machines. must leave receipt.

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